Thursday, August 03, 2006

WELCOME TO OUR BLOG!


Hi, Mike Sembler here! I'm here to fight the predjudice I faced as a white wide receiver in high school and college and make the future brighter for my brothers on the gridiron from this point forward. We hope to eliminate such hate language as:

--"Possession receiver"

--"Deceptively fast"

--"Gritty, team player"

When you hear that, white wide receivers, you are being labeled. You are being oppressed! Don't let them--the pundits, the writers, the announcers--do that to you!

We'll post more as we develop our PowerPoint presentations, motivational clips, and other materials to help fight this predjudice. We don't want special handouts. We just want equality. Fight on, and remember: when you go across the middle, everyone's the same color!

89 Comments:

Blogger CitizenCrane said...

Thanks, I needed some light reading

6:56 AM  
Blogger Chili said...

I feel your pain, fellow lily white bloggers, I feel your pain.

7:00 AM  
Blogger Corey said...

Actually there are some more synonyms for "slow, white guy" referencing from a conversation I had with Orson Swindle of www.edsbs.com last year.

They include:

"gutty"
"keystone of the offense"
"tenacious"
"blocking tight end"
"sparkplug"
"has a motor that won't quit"
"moderately hung"

7:29 AM  
Blogger paulwesterdawg said...

genius.

7:45 AM  
Blogger SmoothJimmyApollo said...

These triscuits lack breakaway speed. Is that a hate crime?

7:58 AM  
Blogger SmoothJimmyApollo said...

On a side note, who remembers watching Eddie McCaffrey break his leg on tv? Ugly stuff.

8:00 AM  
Blogger bubba said...

"when you go across the middle, everyone's the same color"

Gold, Jerry!!

It feels good to be amongst kindred spirits

8:35 AM  
Blogger Brother B said...

As a former WWR, I am finally happy to see our cause brought to the Blogosphere...

And to whom do I adress the Dues Check?

Can we get T-Shirts or stickers?!

B

9:49 AM  
Blogger Cool Hand Mike said...

Moderately hung? Peter North and myself would have to disagree.

12:08 PM  
Blogger Commish CH said...

Steve Watson was the man

2:17 PM  
Blogger jamesmnordbergjr said...

I call the knickname "Cracker Catcher" now, Free Safety and End that I was.

2:18 PM  
Blogger mo publique said...

the whole premise of your blog is flawed, and here's why:

the rhetoric surrounding the white wide receiver that you're wittily undermining is in fact not at all a comment about white guys. it's a way to talk and undermine the black ballplayer: that is, whenever white guys get called those things, what's really being said is that black dudes are not gritty, aren't team players, or have little to offer except "raw" speed.

think of it this way: it's sort of like the way loser single guys will spend a night together talking about hot chicks. what they say about women says very little about women, but more about their own shortcomings as men.

later.

3:25 PM  
Blogger Eric Chase said...

You've inspired me to make a white cornerbacks blog!

4:45 PM  
Blogger Eddie Mac said...

It's good to know that white WR's can grow up known as something other than an "Ed McCaffery type" thanks to yall

5:21 PM  
Blogger Paul said...

Ahh... just remember back when Shawn Springs faced up vs. McCaffrey in 1997. Springs was a rookie, and said he could backpeddle faster than McCaffrey... maybe so... but McCaffrey scored 2 TD's vs. him.

5:56 PM  
Blogger Gabe Stein said...

Haha, brilliant.

Speaking of Eddie Mac - watch him break his leg on TV? Pffft. I was at that game against the Giants. I saw his leg shatter LIVE...Eddie Mac was a freaking G tho. I wish he was still around...

6:07 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Sorry you feel discriminated against there buddy. Hey, just for fun, what was your best time in the 40? I'll be it was 4.7 or higher.

White boys can't run really well. Its a fact.

6:45 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Oh, and to MO, black guys aren't gritty cause they don't have to be. Gritty if for the NON-athletically gifted. White guys don't have the tools that black guys do and are at a disadvantage, that's why they HAVE to try harder in order to compete.

Don't get mad cause black guy are better at certain thing than white guys.

6:52 PM  
Blogger thejapanimerican said...

at least you slow, plodding, endzone dance-handicapped white folks don't have to be stereotyped with having tiny penises. if only i could jerk off this humongous, equation solving brain.

7:00 PM  
Blogger Michael31 said...

Mike Sembler - Call me. We want to have you on our morning radio show in Philadelphia.

Michael
484-434-1182

6:43 AM  
Blogger jason said...

can we have some sort of tom waddle retrospective? you know like those sportscentury things on espn classic?

6:55 AM  
Blogger mo publique said...

hey chad,

"white guys don't have the tools that black guys have"? what, did you just step out of some 19th-century theory about "the negro race" or something? will you also claim that chinese people have a dry-cleaning gene that "whites" don't?

and, again, the reason white guys in football are called "gritty" is not for irrational reason you give, but because it's a way to tacitly smear the black athlete as "non-gritty," i.e., as not hardworking, as being great on the field because they are "naturally" that way--or, in your words, because they have the "tools." and this is a way for white america to have their cake and eat it to: to admire the athelticism of black men, profit off it, and yet to deny them an identity as "hard workers" for having done the job right.

mo

7:10 AM  
Blogger J Schlatter said...

white WR's either become Quarterbacks or accountants.

7:13 AM  
Blogger Charles Slavik, CPT*D said...

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8:32 AM  
Blogger Richard Niman said...

I think Mo is absolutely right.. maybe not to the conspiratory degree that he took it to in his second post.. but the spirit of what he's saying is absolutely right.

I remember countless times watching NBA games, and the white guys are always referred to as something along the lines of... "Well, he's a smart player.... he UNDERSTANDS the game" etc., etc.

And it comes with the same implication as the white wideout comments... that (a) whites are somehow naturally inferior to blacks and that (b) they have the ability to succeed in the NFL/NBA due to their intelligence and cerebral approach to the game.

8:53 AM  
Blogger IBDawgfan82 said...

Mo,
What you've written in your two comments comprises some of the most paranoid and sensationalistic statements I have ever heard. Sounds like you just get out of bed every day already mad with the world. Yeah, its just a huge conspiracy against the black man. Wait, I heard commentators and assorted fans constantly praise Reggie Brown, a black WR at UGA and now for the Eagles, about both his incredible athleticism AND his amazing work ethic. But you probably chose to ignore those comments even if you heard them, since they don't seem to quite fit your "woe is me" world view.

9:27 AM  
Blogger mo publique said...

IBDawgfan82,

you're right about there being exceptions. some black dudes one the field are sometimes called "gritty," "hardworking," etc. And you are right that my initial two posts have come across as a bit shrill. my bad.

but i maintain that, despite a few exceptions, the overwhelming rhetoric around white, non-QB, "skill position" players as being "gritty," etc., is a way to undermine the black player.

mo

10:33 AM  
Blogger Chad said...

Sorry Mo but A. You don't understand what I'm talking about and B. you are wrong.

For anyone to ignore the physiological differences between black men and white men is IGNORANT. Black men are taller and faster and are better athletes. That's why they DOMINATE the 'athletic' sports like Basketball and Football. Ever notice a lack of asian players in the NBA and NFL? I wonder why?

As far as your idea that I think that black guys don't work hard, well, I don't know where you got that from. Michael Jordan practiced harder than any player in the NBA. And that is why he went from sensation to NBA GOD! My point is that if you don't have physical gifts (i.e. white guys) all you can do is work harder than every one else. I played football and I was the smallest guy on the field and one of the slowest. The only way I could survive (and get playing time) was by working harder than everybody else and being smarter than them. And that's football smarts. I had to understand the game better in order to compete.

Here's a book for you to read:


Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158648026X/sr=1-2/qid=1154712410/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-2988985-9090336?ie=UTF8&s=books

10:47 AM  
Blogger bubba said...

Mo, Mo, Mo,
The term 'gritty' or 'hard working' in no way is an attempt to undermine the black athlete. Announcers and others say that because there has to be some reason that there are good white receivers out there. And, of course, it's an impossibility that there are some whites that are as fast or faster than the skill position black players. (please not sarcasm in last sentence.

I never saw a game Jerry Rice played in that the announcers didn't mention how hard he worked in the off-season.

10:48 AM  
Blogger Chad said...

And to clarify MO, calling a white guy gritty is actually a put down. Its a put down cause you are saying that he is not that gifted as an athlete.

Gritty is a euphemism for a white guy who is not that good but can compete.

Gritty guys don't make the hall of fame.

10:49 AM  
Blogger Splash Two said...

Steve Largent for President of the CWRA!

10:52 AM  
Blogger Adam said...

Wayne Chrebet retired too soon.

I hope you guys will do joint events with the Hard-Working, Fundamentally Sound White Point Guards of America. Bobby Hurley is your contact there.

11:45 AM  
Blogger Richard Niman said...

Chad...

Could you explain to me what a "black" person is, and what a "white" person is.. and while you're at it, could you also clarify what an "asian" person is?

Race is not a biological fact... it's a social concept.

and please also add some links to your proof that "blacks" are naturally taller and more athletic than "whites".

Thanks Chadder

12:45 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Richard, you are nothing more than a PC liberal who is stuck in the nineties. Get over it. Please this book:

Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158648026X/sr=1-2/qid=1154712410/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-2988985-9090336?ie=UTF8&s=books

Then you'll have a clue.

12:47 PM  
Blogger Tedd said...

Chad,

Thanks for having the courage to stand up for the little (White) guy. Way to represent.

2:21 PM  
Blogger Charles Slavik, CPT*D said...

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2:46 PM  
Blogger Armadillo said...

Wow, LOT of sensitivity out there. It's hard to believe that anyone who ever played in a racially diverse game doesn't see this for what it is - hilarious.
There really, really was (and is) a perception that if you're white, you're slow. I remember one game, first pass play, I blow right past the black cb - we're jogging back after the play and he says "a whiteboy with wheels, didn't expect that."
He had taken one look at his assigned cover and took the play off. That's funny regardless of your color, and regardless of whether I was faster than him.
[Further destruction of the myth - I dropped the pass. So much for "possession receiver".]
Nobody here is saying black athletes don't work hard and/or lack IQ - anyone who believes that is a fool.
We have to get to a point where people can laugh at stereotypes without someone saying that laughing at stereotypes perpetuates and/or condones racism.
Mr. Slavik, go watch "White Men Can't Jump" and reeeelax.

3:56 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Take your Don Bebe and Tim Dwight. I'll take Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin.

For every white wide receiver there are 10 (minimum)better ones which are black.

4:17 PM  
Blogger paigniac said...

A request for a childhood hero in one Mr. Tom Waddle to be featured

4:45 PM  
Blogger Omar said...

Chad,
"Don't get mad cause black guy are better at certain thing than white guys."

I agree totally, stop hatin' y'all. Just because you guys are awful at collecting welfare, fathering kids then abandoning them, not working, robbing, gang banging, rape, murder, failing the SATs, smoking rock cocaine, wearing stupid shit that doesn't fit you, buying rims, and disallowing the advancement of your people as a race doesn't mean you need to start writing weepy blogs.

6:42 PM  
Blogger Charles Slavik, CPT*D said...

armadillo, I agree to a point and have seen "White Men Cant Jump" and it's hilarious because that's what it is, a comedy.

And obviously if it's tongue in cheek, relatively harmless, but you know and I know you in this day and age you tiptoe a fine line.

Hard sometimes to detect sarcasm sometimes on the Internet. Is there an icon for that, or whatever they call these things :)

I think "All in the Family" is a classic because it allowed folks to looks at ridiculous sterotypes and laugh at them.

I think that's the idyllic thing about sports is if you're good, you're good. No excuses, at least there shouldn't be.

I'll plug in my "White Men.." VHS and chase it down with an AITF rerun.

6:48 PM  
Blogger mo publique said...

Chad,

The reason black men are overrepresented in the NFL and the NBA and major college football has everything to do with social experience and nothing to do with biology. Any credible academic study that has every come out has proved that. See anything one of the greats, Harry Edwards, Sociolgy Prof. at UC Berkeley, has ever written. Here's an example:

"[T]he white athlete over the last fifty years has simply been displaced by a pool of largely untapped athletic talent, generated by a lack of alternative high-prestige occupational opportunities for masses of young black males, and increasing females. I think that once this untapped pool of talent had access to three or four sports it was inevitable that ultimately blacks would end up representing disproportionately high numbers."

6:56 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Mo,

That is total BS. And since when is it racist or bad to say that black men are BETTER at something?

Read that book that I posted about you may learn something.

Heres a question, do you know any white guys who were top athletes that DIDN'T attempt to be a pro? Not me. All the best white athletes went as far as they could with their ability. I have yet to meet anyone black or white who skipped the NFL for other options.

11:06 PM  
Blogger mo publique said...

Chad,

Be well, my brother. Our conversation has begun its repetitive cycle, and I bid you farewell. Enjoy the upcoming season and, perhaps, check out William Rhoden's book next time you're at the bookstore.

6:19 AM  
Blogger benjaminwiggins said...

Chad,

In addition to being a CWR in college, I was a 2004 semifinalist in the US Olympic trials for track and field, as a 400 meter hurdler. I was also an All-American hurdler at Rice University that season. You can find me (as Ben Wiggins) in the results of either the Trials or the NCAA Championships that year. Other than Olympic champion Jeremy Wariner, I was the highest-placing white sprinter at NCAAs.

I turned down tens of thousands of dollars per year, in potential appearance fees, small-time endorsements, and prize money over the next 10-12 years in order to start a college/professional football coaching career. Pro track would have been lucrative for me. Coaching will likely be more so.

The point is that I think your last assumption (that every athlete, black or white, will go as far as his/her talent allows) is incorrect. I believe every athlete will take the most profitable course of action available to them. I'm NOT saying that more non-athletic options are available for whites. Truth be told, I really don't know where I stand on the continuum of "Genetics or Familial/Cultural Training". But I do know that I could have easily had a lucrative professional track career, and I chose to forsake that in favor of a more lucrative career in (hopefully) bigtime coaching.

Just one white wide receiver's story. I can be reached at benjaminwiggins@hotmail.com.

1:25 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Ben,

That is fantastic. And let me tell you that I am in awe of your athletic ability. No jokes here. If I even had an ounce of what you have/had I maybe could have achieved my dream of playing college football. Never the less let me clarify, top athletes don't turn down the millions of dollars they get from the NFL. (Or NBA for that matter) There are very few avenues that would pay the same in your first year out of college. The rookie minimum (somewhere @$200,000, I believe + signing bonuses and such) is still more than a first year doctor or lawyer which require more schooling.

Now the there is money in other sports but my argument is that I don't know anyone that turned down the NFL cause they could make more money elsewhere.

1:52 PM  
Blogger benjaminwiggins said...

Valid point. I took a look at the Taboo blurb and review...it's a very courageous work, considering how hands-off this subject is. Good food for thought, everyone. :)

5:46 PM  
Blogger KG123 said...

Wow, you people are f*cking idiots..."blacks are genetically better athletes than whites"? What!?!?! Who went out and dug up Jimmy the Greek? I guess some of you think that because of generations of slave breeding has developed the African American male into a dominant physical specimen as well? With that logic, you might as well say that their unproportional unemoployment is because of all of those tough years working as slaves...they are just taking a break. That doesn't make much sense either. It amazes me how stupid, ignorant and/or uninformed people are. Just because there is some book published by a so-called astute writer, white or black, saying that blacks have an extra muscle or are naturally bread athletes doesn't make it true. Idiots, I don't know if any of you have taken a biology class, but it takes thousands of years for a humans to evolve anatomically or biologically different from their previous generations. The real reason there may be more black wide recievers or running backs or more NBA players is a totally social one. Sports have always been a vehicle for "poor" people to succeed. Blacks have just been excelling at this for the last 40 or so years because they have been the poorest ethnic group, proportionately, to the general population of Americans. Before that, during the early 20th century, it was poor, white, Italian and Irish Americans with boxing and baseball. Just think about it. If your parents tell you that they can't afford college and didn't go themselves, but the NBA is hiring people with black faces, are you going to pick up your Chemistry book after school, or your basketball? I am white, I was an All State track athlete and ran a 4.4 40...is that because I have some black in me? No, thats retarded. 40 years from now, we won't be having this conversation, because it will be Asiatic or Hispanic athletes dominating the 3 major sports, because they will most likely be the new, socio-economically constrained group who happens to be the lowest on the totem poll for that time period. Use your brains, folks.

10:15 PM  
Blogger Dylan1226 said...

Mike,

I'm doing a story on this exact topic. Can you call me at (920) 427-9815 or email me at Dylan1226@gmail.com?

Thanks,

Dylan Tomlinson, Green Bay Packers beat writer, Gannett Newspapers.

10:07 AM  
Blogger Chad said...

"because they have been the poorest ethnic group,"

Actually that is totally UNTRUE.

You're are the moron. Socialization has nothing to do with it. You could run a 4.4 40? BULLSHIT. And even if you could, you couldn't catch a football.

Please look at world records. If you assumption was correct, short distance running would not be dominated by black athletes (mostly American). Long distance running would not be dominated by black athletes (mostly Kenyan). It would include Russian and Indian and Italian athletes. It DOESN'T.

You just can't admit that on the football field you are a second class citizen.

11:09 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Whoops forgot to mention that Native Americans are the poorest minority.

When will they dominate the NBA?

11:14 PM  
Blogger White men can run said...

Chad you are really stupid..white are better boxer,better soccer player,better hockey players,better baseball player,better swimmer,better fighter in UFC,better in the 400m,better in the jump..you have what?100m and 200 WOW you are so athlete..white are more stronger and more tough..so you can suck my white dick

7:14 PM  
Blogger White men can run said...

Chad you are really stupid..white are better boxer,better soccer player,better hockey players,better baseball player,better swimmer,better fighter in UFC,better in the 400m,better in the jump..you have what?100m and 200 WOW you are so athlete..white are more stronger and more tough..so you can suck my white dick

7:15 PM  
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7:24 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

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10:42 PM  
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10:47 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

Chad, I will give you proof of discrimination. Kevin Kasper who ran a 4.5 40 yd. dash and is tall and lanky was considered only a possession receiver by the NFL. He’s now out of the league. Larry Fitgerald, Keshawn Johnson, Mike Williams and Plaxico Burress run 4.6 and were early 1st round picks. Anquan Bolden runs in the 4.7 range: 2nd round. Heck even Jerry Rice was barely sub 4.6 and he’s the best ever. There are definitely other factors than straight line speed agility and leaping ability, which are the only 3 areas where blacks possess a "slight" advantage. Toughness, hands, route-running, mental awareness, tackle breaking, finding the seam in the defense and yards after the catch are very important also. Look at the case of Mike Hass who ran a 4.61 40 yd. (pretty slow yes) but he was unbelievably productive in college even against good competition. Jason Avant (much less productive) was taken in the 4th round and is a possession receiver who isn’t much more athletic and will likely someday become a number two receiver and Hass currently is on the Bears Practice squad. Despite winning the award as College's best WR he was cut by the saints. There were also more than a handful of other black WRs this draft who ran 4.6's who were drafted and still have NFL jobs and were much less productive in college. So, basically unless your Matt Jones (and are 6′6 and run a 4.37 at the combine on a slow track and broad jump 10-6 better than Randy Moss's attributes) you simply will never become a teams # 1 WR in the NFL if you're white. I bet even Matt Jones has faced some discrimination. Some college coaches for Top Div. 1 programs have actually admitted being worried about unfairly being called racists for bringing in a white WR, RB, or CB w/ a scholarship. Does anyone remember some of the things said about white athletes by racist black athletes? Remember Vince Carter's comment about Dirk or Mike Tyson’s perpetual comments? Let's face it there are currently more racially suspicious blacks in the United States than whites. “Some” black players would quit on a white coach who starts a white in front of them at RB, WR, CB this is why this Caste system may never break down. It's just considered too taboo to break it. Since most scholarships are given to whites for other things a disproportionate number (especially considering the racial proportions in the population) of scholarships are given to blacks for the "speed" positions. That’s why almost all the fast white guys from those positions play at small schools or are walk-ons at group 1. There are only 2 other starting white WRs in the league Drew Bennett who runs a 4.5 and is 6′5 and Joe Jurevicious who is 6′4 who runs a 4.6 and was a bench warmer or 3rd WR before finally given a chance. Even standout talents like Ed McCaffery rode the bench for most of their careers and didn't really get a chance until injury allowed him to show his full potential. Here are some other guys who should/ could be starters. Kevin Curtis runs a 4.3 but is “only” 5′11 and is almost 28 and still sits behind Issac Bruce who is past his prime and a lesser player than Curtis at this point. Tim Dwight runs a 4.3 and is agile as hell and great after the catch but would never be given a chance to see if he could become a Santana Moss type player as he is only 5′9. Other talented names are Dane Looker, Wes Welker, Marc Boerighter, Chase Lyman, Troy Burgeon, and John Standeford. Have you heard of any of them Chad? Tell me why in every single other athletic endeavor there are white guys who can compete but not in the NFL. The Gold Medal and Bronze medal winners in the 200 in Athens were white as were the Gold and Bronze in the high jump, The gold in basketball went to a white Argentina team, almost all the top weight lifters in the world are white. Most of the best boxers in the heavier weight classes are currently white. The best 200 and 400 mtr. sprinter in the world, currently, is an American caucasian named Jeremy Warner. There are loads of white H.S RB's who test significantly above blacks in athletic tests Shuttle/ 3 Cone/ 40 yd. who lose out to there counterparts for scholarships. If anyone wants to debate this I’ll name names at WR, CB or RB that are white and were national talents in H.S from top programs. I'll name names that were snubbed by top college programs but somehow managed to get into the NFL despite playing for small schools or Western/Mountain Conference teams and were discriminated against by the NFL.

10:55 PM  
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10:57 PM  
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11:31 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

Sorry bloggers, about the longevity of the last comment but I wanted to give Chad some proof. I would agree that economically disadvantaged black youths turn to sports, but are unfairly given preference over white Wrs and yes even RB's and CB's. My friend was one of them. I also have a bachelors in biology and would "mostly" refute Jon Etienne's "Taboo" (I read the website) based on the "Mitochondrial" Eve theory, if you'de like me to diagram it for you I will.

11:35 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Man, it's tough to be white.

1st. to White Men Can Run, learn some basic English. It's a nice language when you're not butchering it.

2nd. Sorry Carl, but you offered no proof of anything. You made some stuff up about phantom 40 times. You made all that up. And if you didn't please site your source of where I can find Chad Johnson et al's 40 times. Also, Matt Jones was a college quarterback so I don't even know what you are talking about.

8:34 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

I did not make them up I got the 40 times from Giant insider Pre Draft Issue or Castefootball.us. If I didn't remember the exact 40 time I rounded it to the nearest tenth. However, on another website where I posted I was corrected by a guy who subscribes to Nfldraftscout.com. He told me that the times I was using were probably college handtimed times before the Proday and combine skill tests. I since have subscibed to that site and double checked the times Here's what he wrote, I also added some to what he put.

I’m not sure where your getting your facts from. Although the correct data may prove your point even stronger. I’m sure some of those players did run those times in college where they are hand timed by coaches, as I’ve seen lots of lists of 40 times listed before the combine. However the only valid tests that NFL scouts use are the Combine results and the Pro day workouts (I subscribe to Nfldraftscout.com). I stand to correct your Data from a list on their website.

Comparing Slow black receivers to slow white ones in the last 2 years I do agree that white WR’s are held to a higher standard. Here are the Combine results.
Jason Avant 6′1 (mid 4th rd.) only ran at Pro Day: 40 yd- 4.62. Maurice Stovall 6′4 (Late 3rd rd.) -4.57
Mike Williams 6′4 (Early 1st rd.) -4.56 Larry Fitgerald ran 4.63 in college 4.5 Pro Day. Michael Clayton 6′3 (mid 1st) 4.6 Keary Colbert 6′1 (Late 2nd rd) -4.6
Marques Hagans 5′10 (mid 5th rd.)-4.67 (former QB) prospect at either WR or RB. -now thats a joke, when Eric Crouch who was almost as productive as Vick running the ball in college isn’t allowed to be a RB only a WR and runs a 4.47 and an elite shuttle time.
-slow black WR’s from other years Anquan Bolden 6′1 (mid 2nd) -4.72 in college
Ernest Wilford 6′4 (mid 4th rd.) -4.76 -PRO Day, Brandon Lloyd -4.62

-Now the caucasian guys. Mike Hass 6′1 the winner of the Biletnikoff award for the nations most productive DIV I WR (early 6th)-4.59, Combine -4.58, PRO Day and had a ridiculously fast cone drill time at PRO Day as well as an average vertical 36 1/2 and average 3 cone time, but did not perform well at the combine.
John Standeford One of the top WR’s in Purdue history 6′3 (undrafted) -4.56
rec. yds. TD
62 677 6
35 484 4
75 1307 13


Here’s two fast white college standouts from Iowa that were “blackballed” out of the league drafted in 2001- Kevin Kasper 6′0 Iowa (Late 6th) -4.42 A Verical of 43 1/2 a top 9 time in the last 7 years also had an elite shuttle time and an elite 3 cone time. Broad jumped -10′6! Eddie Berlin 5'11 Iowa St. (5th rd.) -4.43

Matt Jones broad jumped -10′9! not 10′6. Tim Dwight is 5′8 not 5′9 and Jurevicious is 6′5 not 6′4. Kevin Kasper is not tall and lanky, so very little of your information is correct although the correct data may prove your point even stronger!

4:19 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

Here are some links to prove discrimination and/or give info on white players. http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2025109 -about Matt Jones who was called by an opposing college coach "deceptivly fast" -4.37 is apparently deceptively fast if your white!

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635155947,00.html
-on Kevin Curtis who was handtimed in college at 4.2 and blew by Deangelo Hall in an NFL game last year -ran a 4.42 at the combine

-on discrimination against whites
http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/9600690
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060813/PKR0205/608130608/0/theme
http://www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2002/10/03/Opinion/An.Open.Letter.To.Paul.Tagliabue-1412739.shtml?norewrite200609201107&sourcedomain=www.mic

On average combine results (listed in the right column) from the last 2 years
http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/wr
http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2004/04/20/2/

On white RB discrimination:
http://sil.mcmaster.ca/Archive/050120/sports/050120sportslumsden2.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_19991217/ai_n13842253
http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/Orlando_01.htm -yes this is from the writer of the book Taboo's site.
http://www.castefootball.us/viewarticle.asp?sportID=3&teamID=0&ID=22240 -this site is kinda racist and biased but their athletic data is correct.
http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/olympics.html -This article says that the 10 second barrier has been broken just over 200 times in a ten year span but according to another site: http://www.castefootball.us/viewarticle.asp?sportID=8&teamID=0&ID=22613 all the times recorded under 10 seconds were recorded by a group of only 39 athletes as of early 2004. SO whoopdy do...there are 39 blacks that have ran faster than Marian Woronin and Armin Hary the white dude's who ran a 10 flat 100 mtr. -All these articles talk about sprinting
http://www.iaaf.org/GLE06/news/Kind=2/newsId=34313.html
http://www.cstv.com/sports/c-track/stories/082304aae.html
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/002635.html - this Jeremy Wariner article states that 40 blacks in history have broken the 10 second mark as of Aug 27 2004
http://www.vdare.com/blog/091704_blog.htm

8:46 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

It not only 40 times that matter. Like I said, white wider receivers will have two of three things:

Speed
Hands
Toughness

You need all three to be great.

Why discriminate? If I am a coach I want to put the best athletes out there. I want the guys who will put me in the best position to win. Usually in football those are black guys at WR and RB. Black QB's? No, because their overall superior athletic ability puts them at a position where there skills are better suited. That's why Michael Vick is not a pro QB, he's too athletic for that position. Not that QBs aren't great athletes, they just aren't the best on the field.

5:32 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Let us also look at the US olympic team. Racism is not an issue as it's only based on qualifying times. A clock cannot be racist. Yet the sprints are dominated by black athletes. Sorry.

2:13 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

Sorry Chad, I disagree. The only areas where blacks are dominant is the 100mtr and Long Jump. The 200 mtr. in 2000 gold and bronze went to two Greeks. The 400 mtr in 2004 went to white American Jeremy Wariner who is on track to winning the 200mtr and 400mtr in 2008. The gold and Bronze high jumps in 2000 went to two whites...not sure about 2004. The U.S came in third "again" in basketball. Most of the heavy weight class belts in boxing currently are held by whites, mostly Eastern European's who grow up in tough impoverished conditions and are not "fazed" by the myth of black athletic superiority. Some of the best NFL WRs RBs and CBs were white until colleges stopped recruiting whites for those positions in the 80's. In the 80's Steve Largent who had a style similar to Jerry Rice is one of the best ever. Chris Collingworth and Dwight Clark were great 80's receivers also. RB- John Riggins may be a top 10 all time RB and was the 1983 super bowl MVP and only played 10 yrs. Jim Taylor was the second best 60's era RB and actually won the NFL rushing title over Jim Brown one year other great white RBs were Larry Czonka and James Craig. So you're saying the best players didn't play back then. The same stereotypes that kept blacks from playing QB until the 80's (until blacks by the names of Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon and Doug Williams broke down the caste system) keeps whites from playing WR, RB, CB. Blacks only have a slight advantage at CB and RB because of "slight advantages" in speed, agility and leaping. Most of toughest surest handed receivers of all time (Steve Largent, Ed McCaffery, Wayne Cherbet and Mark Bavaro if you count receiving TE's) were white. The best players don’t play for the 3 reasons I stated in my first post.

10:01 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

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10:59 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Chris Collingworth
John Riggins
Larry Czonka
James Craig (I think you mean Craig James)
Jim Taylor
Dwight Clark

None of these guys could play in the NFL today. They were all SLOW!

The 'hands' guys you mention are slow.

The speed guys have no other skills.

Football takes more than one skill.

Terrell Owens is big, tough fast and can catch. Wayne Chrebet could only catch. As we all know Wayne was merely a flashlight.

12:28 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

Yeah, your right I definitley meant Craig James not James Craig, it was late at night when I wrote that.

11:14 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

White guys who could and should have started at RB and CB:
Luke Staley: 2001 Doak Award winner 6'1 -4.42 40 yd., senior stats in 2001 at BYU : 196 1,596 8.1 24 32 334 10.4 4
Heath Evans: Productive college RB: 4.56, 40 yd.
Eric Crouch: 6'0 -4.47
Rob Konrad: Fast productive college RB Don't know 40 time
Jesse Lumsden: 6'1 Canada's best college RB -4.45
Sean Bennett: Productive college RB -4.6

Future prospects:
Toby Gerhart: Stanford -4.48
Brian Leonard: Rutgers -4.56
Kyle Bell: Colorado St. -4.56
Kevin Harris: Wake Forrest -4.48 Unbelievible prep school RB in Florida (25th best tested H.S athlete at RB at the SPARQ combine in the country was only listed #99 best RB by Rivals.com only listed as FB by scout.com) currently seeing limited action for Wake Forrest.

At CB:
Dustin Fox: 5'11, Ohio St., 2005 draft: Outstanding Ohio St. CB runs a 4.45 40 yard dash owns a 43 1/2 vertical jump, a top 9 time in the last 7 combines currently 5th corner on Eagles depth chart drafted by Vikings 3rd round and they tried to convert him to saftey.
Stuart Shwigert: 3rd yr. NFL plays saftey for the Raiders but is really more of a CB -4.47
Steve Gregory: recent outstanding Syracuse CB currently an NFL Practice squad member. I am done arguing b/c I don't want to dominate the blog anymore!

11:25 PM  
Blogger Travis said...

Carl mentioned Dane Looker.

Did you know he is a member of both the CWRA and the Hard-Working, Fundamentally Sound White Point Guards of America (thank you Adam).

He was a division II point guard and Western Washington University for two years, then transferred to the University of Washington to team up with Huard, his QB in high school.

The reason certain ethnicities and races are better at certain sports is due to their exposure to those sports. James Blake, Tiger Woods, Demarcus Beasley; they all play traditionally "white sports," yet they are among the elite.

The diversification of sport participants is always changing, this is becoming very apparent. Look at baseball, the amount of black baseball players is declining rapidly, yet there is an increase is black soccer players. Many white kids are now going to alternative sports as well.

Basically, there are way too many variables to every truely prove any of the "this race is better" stuff that people like to believe.

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Blogger MARCIANO said...

WOW! Do you people not remember Steve Largent? He is a Hall of Famer and had 100 TDs! White guy, played for the seahawks. Now we have someone just like that, Bloom for the eagles, 40 yard dash he runs what. 4.3? There is Kevin Curtis 4.3 and big Drew Bennett, 6'5 runs a 4.4 and Matt jones! 6'6 over 200 puonds and rns a 4.3. I am a wwr and play for my highschool team, I'm starter. We just lost in the playoffs but I'm going to play in college. I'm fast at 5'11.

5:15 AM  
Blogger MARCIANO said...

WOW! Do you people not remember Steve Largent? He is a Hall of Famer and had 100 TDs! White guy, played for the seahawks. Now we have someone just like that, Bloom for the eagles, 40 yard dash he runs what. 4.3? There is Kevin Curtis 4.3 and big Drew Bennett, 6'5 runs a 4.4 and Matt jones! 6'6 over 200 puonds and rns a 4.3. I am a wwr and play for my highschool team, I'm starter. We just lost in the playoffs but I'm going to play in college. I'm fast at 5'11.

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Blogger CCRider13 said...

I was a white running back and feel I was also pushed aside because of my skin tone. I had 3 1,000+ rushing seasons in high school but the only division 1 teams that tried to recriut me wanted to switch me to linebacker. This was 1989. I ended up signing with a division 2 team in my state who promised to give me every opprotunity at running back. I was shocked to find myself listed at linebacker before our first practice, long story short, i refused and was eventualy placed with the running backs, and moved my way up to second string. My freshman year i was 5'11 215lbs and ran a 4.4 forty yard dash. I was both the biggest and fastest running back on the team that year, not to mention I did not have the fumbling problem of the starting back. I never started a game, but I was always put into the game in third down situations, or whenever else we needed a first down. I ended the year with 678yds rushing with a 5.7yd average, 9tds, 312yds recieving 1td, and 3 kickoff returns for touchdowns. the starting back had 712yds rushing and a 3.2yd average and 3tds, and 14 fumbles. I thought as a freshman i had proven myself. I had a very good spring and ran for 182yds in the spring game 6.2yd avg. and 4tds, 121yds more than the next back. however, to my suprise, in my meeting with the coaches i was told i needed to put on another 15-20 pounds because they wanted to move me to fullback to block for a superstar black runningback they were recruiting for the next season. I had enough and found another way to pay for school and left the team....by the way, i graduated, that superstar black runningback, he flunked out of school and never took the feild....the team i played for, went 2-7-1 the next season.

7:38 AM  
Blogger CCRider13 said...

Oh, by the way, I do take comfort in the fact that i make a 6 figure salery now, with enough time to cruise the internet while at work, while none, and I repeat, none of the black runningbacks I played with in college graduated. All of whom were pursuing degrees in "Recreation" or some other b.s. like that. As a matter of fact the one who started in front of me my freshman year is in jail for selling crack to support his crack habit, and that "superstar" recruit, he has his own business, mowing lawns for rich white folks. I guess if we are to promote stereotypes....I guess I would rather be labeled as haveing less natural atheletic ability, but oh so much smarter with so much more self control than my black counterparts.

7:50 AM  
Blogger CCRider13 said...

Hey kg113, I will admit that on the football feild I am a second class citizen, if you can admit in the classroom and business world you are a 5th class citizen!

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Blogger JOdion said...

KG123:

You stated that "it takes thousands of years for humans to evolve anatomically or biologically different from their previous generations." Do you realize that by making such a statement you just validated the existence of physiological differences between the races considering humans actually DID develop on seperate continents with little or no contact with each other for thousands of years? This is where the concept of race comes from. Why are people still afraid to acknowledge this? I know we all just want to get along, but let's stop kidding ourselves by denying the existence of race. It's a part of our individual identity, and our human heritage! We should all be proud of where we come from, and proud to represent any aspect of our heritage on the competitive field whether it be ethnicity, nationality, or even (GASP) race. Stereotypes, just like records are made to be broken. This is the name of competition. If you can't take a stand for who you are on the playing field what does that say about you as a competitor? How easily you can be intimidated and broken down by your opponent? No wonder more white guys don't win starting positions in athletics, we're a bunch of p*ssies!!

3:57 AM  
Blogger JOdion said...

I'd like to also say this to everyone:

A lot of you here I really feel sorry for because there would never be a need for this type of discussion blog like this, but you have allowed yourselves to be coerced by a social system that has made it just about socially acceptable for blacks to intimidate whites verbally and physically for quite some time now. And the problem with all of it is not the media, or past injustices to blacks, or any of those kind of excuses that allow this intimidation to continue. It is something in human nature where we don't realize that in order to not be intimidated, it doesn't mean we have to intimidate someone in return. People in general just tend to be really bad at resisting their flight or fight instincts. In the case of white people in this day and age it's most often flight, but regardless of which one a person gives into, I think it's all a result of the feeling of that someone is trying to scare us into asserting their dominance over a particular situation. Using intimidation tactics to achieve superiority has been a huge step backward for how both blacks and whites have related to each other in society. Taking away lynchings and church burnings and replacing them with physical assaults, rape, robbery, and verbal threats, is not progress. It leads to death and incarceration.

My friends, don't look to politicians, or anything in the media to change any of this because they will just continue to exploit the situation. We as a people have to know what is right and start doing it ourselves.

Well that's all I have to say. Thank you for letting me post here.

4:41 AM  
Blogger spencer said...

White receivers making a stand, this is classic, you should now make a stand for white running backs, this cracks me up, but to be fair make a website for black hockey players

1:45 AM  
Blogger skins said...

All of you just shut up and watch Kevin Curtis play on Sunday. (WR for the Eagles). His nickname is "white lightning" and he has at least 3 TD's this season of 50+ yards.

Oh yeah by the way Matt Jones (receiver for the Jaguars) runs the 40 yd dash in 4.3, which is the same as Michael Vick and a hell of a lot faster than many other black wr's and rb's.

Chew on that and rethink this whole blog.

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I played WR for the University of North Dakota 1989-1991, and I always hated that people said "I ran great routes." With 4.48 speed and a couple of dunk contest trophies at 5 ft 11, I could run by most of the brothers and jump over all of them!!!!

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12:46 PM  
Blogger guitardude_72004 said...

This is an interesting topic. Before I give my opinion let me tell you my background. I'm 22 years old and a senior at Ohio University. I walked on the Ohio University football team. I am white, 6-4, 215 pounds, I was the biggest reciever we had. When I joined the team everyone assumed I was tight end, why? I dont know, prolly cause they thought I was slow. Speed was not my greatest attribute but... I ran a 4.6 handtime, prolly a 4.75 electronic,which was prolly 8th best out of our 12 receivers. I benched 265 pounds, which was mid pack, cleaned 275 which was impressive,squatted 375 which was average or slightly below average but not bad for a taller guy. My vertical was 32 inches, which also isnt bad for my size. I played well in practice and I definately deserved to play but was cut because they said I was too slow. I've often heard coaches and players say things about my color but I strongly believe that the coaches put out the best players regardless of color. I have heard some interesting things lately though. I was watching the Jaguars play the Texans the other night on MNF and heard the announcer say that Matt Jones didnt have the jets to catch up to David Gerrards pass, however he had burnt the black corner on the play and he runs under a 4.4, he looks slower cause he is 6-6 and has longer strides. An interesting player at running back is Michigan's Sam McGuffie, a white running back who got a lot of playing time his fresh year at Michigan. He was renowned in hs for being a freak athelete with crazy speed who would leap over defenders. I guess it depends on what you do on the field. Anquan Boldin is not fast, but he is huge and is great after the catch because he is tough and strong, his legs are huge and he is like a running back after the catch. Wes Welker is probably the best slot receiver in the NFL right now and is one of the quickest players to ever play the game. Kevin Walter of the texans is a freak, he is a huge white reciever and is having a great year for Houston. Coaches will put the best players out there however I am tired of ppl and spectators judging some players because they are white. I remember going into Ping Center at OU and showing up alot of the black players with some crazy off the back board dunks and things they could only dream of doing. I dont know why black athletes are faster, but most of them are and can jump higher too. But yes, there are exceptions, but coaches are going to play the best players, there is no conspiracy and there is not a race problem in the NFL or at any level. The only problem is ppl stereotyping the whites as slow and unnathletic who actually are very good. But yes, most blacks are better, its true. The injustice is only being done to those players like me who are exceptions to the rule.

1:04 PM  
Blogger DTadmin said...

Don't forget Tim Dwight on the Chargers. I loved watching that guy because he was so "elusive" and "gritty". He was in amazing shape, being a triathalon competitor as well.

2:45 PM  

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